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Techcuron
08-11-2015, 23:12
Statistics have been uploaded :http://thorftp.tk/seow/MP4public/Statistics/MP-MissionDetails.php?Sector=ItalyExp&Mission_Name=SE-ItalyExp-194309051500.mis

Seems that many planes damage themselves on landings. Also some people have game issues when plane is disconnected=>destroyed, but mostly for allies this time.

Casualties were much lower this Mission for aircrafts, Ground-Attackers did a good job, Fighters managed to perform their task good albeit some Ground-Attackers were shot down by enemy fighters, Ship-Attackers did very good job on taking down the cruiser.

Potenza suddenly has more allied armour, Bari is still held, Naval engagement was a narrow draw, and Allies capture 1 dock at Bari. Frontline has not changed this mission.




Air-To-Ground (19 kills)

LeR 3 in Re.2002 scored:
2x Tank kills
1x HQ kill
3x British supply column

=VARP= & 102nd in Bf 110G-2 scored:
4x Anti-Air Artillery

ITA in Ju 88A-4 scored:
1x Ship
1x Anti-Tank Gun

LeR 3 in Bf 109G-6 scored:
4x Infantry
3x Anti-Air Artillery

Air-To-Air (9 kills)

II/JG77 & I/JG7_Leo scored:
1x A-20
1x P-47
3x Spitfire

102nd scored:
1x Spitfire
2x P-47
1x Beaufighter


Planes lost to anti-air (6)
Planes lost to fighters (8)
Planes lost to crashes (7)
Planes lost to Friendly Fire (1)
Planes lost to ships (1)




Naval engagement at Bari;
Axis Losses
1 German U-boat lost
[Type VII C Klaße U-Boot] (Destroyed by HMS Fiji CA)
1 Italian Cruiser lost
[Zara CA] (Destroyed by HMS Fiji CA)

Damage inflected to enemy [2 Ships]
1 British Allied Cruiser destroyed
[HMS CA Fiji] (Destroyed by ITA_Dax)
1 British Allied Destroyer moderately damaged
[HMAS Napier] (Damaged by Type VII C Klaße U-Boot)


Plane Losses;
Axis Losses (23 planes)
1x Fiat G.55 Sottoserie 0 Centauro (33% completely destroyed)
2x Fw 190A-4 Würger (28% completely destroyed)
1x FW-190A-5 Würger (10% completely destroyed)
4x Ju-87D-5 Stuka (100% completely destroyed)
4x Ju-88A-4 (50% completely destroyed)
1x Macchi C.205 Serie I (16% completely destroyed)
2x Bf-109G-6 Gustav (100% completely destroyed)
4x Bf-110G-2 (100% completely destroyed)
4x Re.2002 Ariete (100% completely destroyed)

Allied Losses (23)
2x P-39N-1 Airacobra
3x Beaufighter MkX
3x P-40M Kittyhawk
1x A-20G Boston
1x Hurricane MkIIc Bomber
2x B-25G-1 Mitchell
1x P-51A Mustang
3x P-47D-22 Thunderbolt
6x Spitfire MkVc-2LF(CW)
1x Spitfire MkVIII



Fighter Aircrafts available for Misson 05;

Foggia:
4x Bf109-G6
2x Macchi 205
2x Re.2002
4x Macchi 202
Benevento:
2x Fw 190-A5
Salerno:
3x Macchi 205
1x Bf109-G6
Napoli:
2x Bf109-G6
4x Macchi 202
Roma:
4x Bf109G-4
2x Macchi 205
6x G.55
Pescara:
2x Bf109G-6
Decimomannu:
4x Macchi 205
Olbia:
2x Bf109G-4
Bastia:
4x Re.2002

Air-Start
18x Fw 190A-4

Bomber/Fighter Bomber/Recon/Transport Aircrafts available for Misson 05:

(average)













Post complaints/flight debrief bellow.



Bari fought off many planes with anti-air.
http://puu.sh/lesJJ/b886e14143.bmp
Many fuel leaks.
http://puu.sh/letsg/3df9f65991.bmp
Potenza is full of allied tanks!
http://puu.sh/letIO/815f19e43b.bmp
Ugly tanks.
http://puu.sh/letPS/e203132c42.bmp
In the streets
http://puu.sh/letXi/51af84f5d7.bmp
Tight formations
http://puu.sh/leu15/6d4c5a3122.bmp
We lost many artillery guns
http://puu.sh/lev8Q/d702e18da3.bmp

Potenza after mission 4
http://puu.sh/leLQr/f18aa27c9d.png












@II/JG77_RC
What was the issue with one of the FW-190 load outs?

Blue on Blue occurred unfortunately, "Aim-9"


@109
Some slot taking issues happened. This will be corrected next time.


@SUP
Was ship flak too heavy?

LLv34_Untamo
09-11-2015, 08:12
S!

@Thor:
Again we have one KIA on successful crash landing (LLv34_igor, plane damaged on landing -> wait few seconds -> disconnect). Are we doing this wrong, should we bail out if we get damaged on landing?


LeR 3 ground attack group debrief:
Took off from Napoli. I led the Reggiane + kanonenvogel 109G6 group to Poteza while Icedi and Jaffa attacked Irsina with Mc205s. Mc205s met heavy AAA, took damage and Icedi had to bail, Jaffa made it to home base.

We got to Potenza, but I had done my homework poorly, didn't know if we had own tanks in there, so we had hard time identifying whether the tanks in there (there were a lot!) were ours or enemy's. After a while we got sure that they were indeed the enemy we bombed them, and got 3 successful hits. G6s also got some AAA positions and soft targets. There was a heavy flak that we couldn't spot, which shot us down one by one :( ... In the end, it was just me and Igor, who had a huge hole in his wing. I told Igor to RTB. I myself headed to Irsina to look for any soft targets, as I had a healthy plane and lot of ammo.

On the way a AAA half track opened on me, I tried to give him some ammo back, but they didn't think anything about my little MGs. Continued to Irsina where indeed seemed to be several AAA half tracks. I stayed behind a little hill, and noticed several trucks on top of the hill just south of the town. I got atleast 3 of them. While killing the last one, a Spit flew past, it had clearly spotted me. No point running, so I continued. Saw the Spit diving on me, tried to dodge, but the Reggiane is a bit too sluggish to turn, so the Spit clipped my wing. Boom.

Will post the Salerno CAP debrief later.

Btw. started to film my missions (posted them unlisted on youtube), if you can bear the finnish blabbering, here goes, action starts @11:30:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdUkhbwWkQU

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdUkhbwWkQU) Edit: here's mission #3 too, action starts @18:30:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKiodpHpm0g

=VARP=Thor
09-11-2015, 08:51
Did he crashlanded on the airfield?

LLv34_Untamo
09-11-2015, 09:00
Did he crashlanded on the airfield?

Yes, on Napoli airfield.

Bobby
09-11-2015, 09:06
~S

Urgent message from the Defenders of Bari......

"We lost half the manpower but count on us as if we were at full strength !"
"As long as you hear gunfire in Bari, enemy will not enter ! Surrender is not an option"

Reinforcements arrived in Bari (05.07.48h)
1x Ju-52 3MG4E Tante Ju ((L'Aguila-Bari)) ..mission sucess...plane is parked on Bari airport but I have no idea what happened to the plane 1x SM.75 Marsupiale....AI? or ?

Amarok
09-11-2015, 09:46
Moin Techcuron,

at first, thank you for the detailed briefing, which was very detailed worked out.



But what good is it, if the players not adhere to the instructions and allocations of the aircraft?
{64s}Otsu_I and JV69_klaus64 have occupied our slots.

We have urged them three times via chat and once in the TS to leave our slots.
Nothing! In vain, Otsu mine that would be his slot?!

Can each choose now what he wants?

II/JG77_Kemp
09-11-2015, 09:52
Btw. started to film my missions (posted them unlisted on youtube), if you can bear the finnish blabbering, here goes, action starts @11:30:
[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdUkhbwWkQU"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdUkhbwWkQU


Quite interesting to see and hear what things looked like close to the ground, while a real furball was developing on top of you. Also the case of friendly fire was really peculiar - vvaris was shot down by a friendly AB bomb. I don't remember seeing that before.

=VARP=Thor
09-11-2015, 10:03
@Untamo
Will return him. Don't know why this is happening. Landing/crashlanding + disconnect is how it should be. NOT bailout.

@Bobby
AI SM75 also went trough. Alltogether 18 infantry came to reinforce Bari. Some 8 Panthers also drive in.

@Amarok
I don't know why they took it, but if they have already press fly it is better that they did not disconnect. I have already closed the door when you asked for slots over chat.

LLv34_Untamo
09-11-2015, 10:32
Quite interesting to see and hear what things looked like close to the ground, while a real furball was developing on top of you. Also the case of friendly fire was really peculiar - vvaris was shot down by a friendly AB bomb. I don't remember seeing that before.

Oh, yeah, already forgot about that. Did you guys hear my whisper? I think I at least announced when we got into Potenza. Didn't know that there was going to be cluster bombs raining on our necks :D ... Warn us next time ;)

II/JG77_RC
09-11-2015, 12:01
Oh, yeah, already forgot about that. Did you guys hear my whisper? I think I at least announced when we got into Potenza. Didn't know that there was going to be cluster bombs raining on our necks :D ... Warn us next time ;)

:flash:

Yes, I went to drop my Airburst bomb on an enemy position on the east side of Potenza from a higher altitude to get a big spread on the bomb clusters. I also rushed things because we needed to engage enemy fighters ASAP and I did not look around long enough for aircraft underneath me. Somehow with my terrible luck I hit a friendly aircraft with my cluster bomblets. Very unlucky. I felt terrible about the friendly fire incident :( It threw my thinking off for the whole rest of the mission :(

My apologies to LLv32_vvaris
(http://thorftp.tk/seow/MP4public/Statistics/MP-PilotDetails.php?Pilot_Name=LLv32_vvaris&Sector=ItalyExp)

I/JG7_Leo
09-11-2015, 12:25
@Techcuron

What was the issue with one of the FW-190 load outs?http://puu.sh/le5Eg/9ba95cae36.png

This 190 had a strange loadout. MG/FF removed + 90% fuel. In the briefing you made it was 100% fuel.

I/JG7_Leo
09-11-2015, 12:32
Btw Untamo, very nice videos. Nice to watch. :pilot_thumbup:

334th_Kapsu
09-11-2015, 13:17
2 x 334th

Not much to report. After take off headed to our ships at AP23 but as there wasnt any enemy activity we headed to Scalea and then to Potenza and Salerno area. Things were already quiet when we arived there. Headed to Taranto to see if we can suprise someone but no enemy sighted so headed back to Potenza. Stayed there for a while and then headed back to Rome and landed.

No single enemy spotted during whole mission, probably because we were flying at 7k to 8k all the time to save fuel. And we always were at wrong place at wrong time. :sad:

=VARP=Hunter
09-11-2015, 14:39
4x110 G2 took off from Foggia and headed towards Irsina.
Stopped and loiter at BF25/9 waiting for clear sky over target area.
As that did not happened we went for GA somewhere in BG20 area.
AAA was strong in those mountain passes as we have tried to kill them.
Thor and Mornar got some but me and Kroat got killed during attacks.
After that Thor and Mornar got jumped and shot down by enemy fighters.
It was too tight area for us to fight, will try do better next time.

102nd-YU-Gile
09-11-2015, 16:48
102nd scored:
1x Spitfire
2x P-47
1x Beaufighter

So total 9 air to air kills in 4th mission.

LLv34_Untamo
09-11-2015, 20:24
...
My apologies to LLv32_vvaris
(http://thorftp.tk/seow/MP4public/Statistics/MP-PilotDetails.php?Pilot_Name=LLv32_vvaris&Sector=ItalyExp)

No worries, accidents happen :)


Btw Untamo, very nice videos. Nice to watch. :pilot_thumbup:

Thanks :)

LeR 3 Salerno CAP debrief:

Took off from Napoli with LLv32_Lukkari, LLv32_Korva and LLv32_Jami in our Bf 109G-4 scwarm. Heading 120 degrees to Salerno Front to our patrol area. Me and Lukkari had 4,5 km alt, Korva and Jami over us at 5,5 km. Near Lagonegro we turned to North towards the Potenza Front. LLv32_Lukkari deteched a high dot far away at NW and soon he noticed 4-5 dots more over the Potenza Front.

Jami informed that he had damaged because of enemy fighter and I ordered to drop our tanks quickly. I saw at least five dots under me near the clouds and dived to identify them. They run away but they also had fighters high, because I was hit very soon twice: My both wings and also sight was broken. I made my trick and push a negative barrell roll and dived under clouds, then run away to west. I ordered LLv32_Korva to take a command for my scwarm. Also I ordered LLv32_Jami to return to base because of his damaged Bf 109. Soon after that LLv32_Korva informed that he had fired and hit an enemy Spitfire. Later it seems that he had an aerial victory from that Spitfire but I didn't notice it in stats?

LLv32_Korva and LLv32_Lukkari escaped from the multiple enemy fighters and headed south of Potenza (Actually we were a little bit too much north from our Salerno Front patrol area). Me and Llv32_Jami landed succesfully to Napoli airbase with our damaged Messerschmitts. After about the rest 40 minutes ineffectual patrol flight over Salerno Front also LLv32_Korva and LLv32_Lukkari landed safe to Napoli, too.

SUP_Astore
09-11-2015, 22:12
Naval Attack - SUP_Aracno - SUP_Astore - ITA_Dax - SUP_Hunter / Ju-88 with 2xSC1000Mission began in a bad way as we lost Hunter for stall in take-off and Aracno for a joystick issue when we were near Gargano promontory.Dax and me went ahead and found the Fiji cruiser together with a smaller unit. We attacked the cruiser in skip-bombing under a not so heavy flak at the beginning, Dax went in first and scored but immediatly after his plane exploded in air hit by AAA; I followed soon after but at the moment of the bomb's release a shell torn off my entire right stabilator and my bombs went I don't know where. At that moment my plane take a steep climbing assett and I really had serious troubles to control it.I tried to take back my plane at least, and I managed to reach Foggia airfield but the control of the plane was very very difficult, I had to push the stick all the way ahead only to mantain the plane levelled and the only manner to loose altitude was to play with the throttle, but was not so easy.Anyways I succeeded to align the plane with the airstrip and I began the descend, without gear and flaps (I tried to use them but as soon as I began to extract them the plane suddenly pointed the nose to the deep space) in some way I touched the runway and the plane started to skid on it but my speed was very high and I "ate" all the strip lenght and when it ended the plane roll over and exploded ..................too much efforts for nothing :( and that's all folks.

22gct_gross
10-11-2015, 21:29
4 Macchi 205 + 4 Ju88
Rejoin groups over Benevento, then escorting Ju88 over Scalea area, go back to Salerno. No enemies.

Otsu
13-11-2015, 20:41
Moin Techcuron,

at first, thank you for the detailed briefing, which was very detailed worked out.



But what good is it, if the players not adhere to the instructions and allocations of the aircraft?
{64s}Otsu_I and JV69_klaus64 have occupied our slots.

We have urged them three times via chat and once in the TS to leave our slots.
Nothing! In vain, Otsu mine that would be his slot?!

Can each choose now what he wants?





please dont be selfish, there was 6 aircraft to share for 3 different flight.

6/2 = 2, Hazz not being present I took his place so Klaus64 and I were well sloted

In addition you must not ask someone to change places while you get 3 minutes before the start of mission.

Amarok
13-11-2015, 21:44
Tell no nonsense Otsu!

We were there 10 min before closing the slots.The slots must not be filled one hour before.
Kindly read first briefing, before you simply take slots, which are not intended for you.

Or is that too hard for you?